>>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

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>>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

Postby pauldear » Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:57 pm

Dear all,

A number of teams have been wondering and asking whether the N-Prize will be extended beyond its original deadline of September 19th, 2011.

I am happy to announce that there will be an extension, of exactly one year. Therefore, the prize will remain open until September 19th 2012. The wording of the rules will be updated shortly to reflect this.

For those of you who were racing to try to meet the 2011 deadline, the race is still on! It remains a "first past the post" competition (in each of the two categories - reuseable and single-shot), so the deadline extension should not alter your plans in any way. For those teams who did not expect to meet the original deadline - including the many teams who have signed up within the last few months, and those of you mired in a sea of regulatory paperwork - the extended deadline should mean that you are still in with a chance.

I hope this announcement will not slow the pace of those teams who are nearing an N-Prize launch, and I hope also that it will give teams a little more breathing space to develop their technology and negotiate their way through (or around) the red tape.

Best wishes to all the teams. Have fun, be creative, and make astronautical history! (Oh, and be safe, I guess.)
Paul
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Re: >>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

Postby rick m » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:23 pm

This is great news Paul. We will be testing this Saturday out at FAR on a new grain geometry and igniters for our 100,000' attempt and test stand modifications. We will also be casting the first DoubleSShot propellant grains in the Sugar Shot to Space program.

I had hoped a team would make this year's deadline, maybe some team will...maybe we might sign up afterall.

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Re: >>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

Postby pauldear » Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:55 pm

Hi Rick,

Well, two or three (maybe four) teams are still in with a chance at the original deadline, but it was getting to the point where the newest teams would really not have anything to shoot at, and the nearly-ready teams would be rushing and maybe taking chances. So, hopefully, the new and final deadline will work to everyone's advantage.

Cheers,
Paul
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Re: >>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

Postby WillD » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:02 am

Good news Paul
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Re: >>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

Postby DaveHein » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:38 pm

pauldear wrote:Hi Rick,

Well, two or three (maybe four) teams are still in with a chance at the original deadline, but it was getting to the point where the newest teams would really not have anything to shoot at, and the nearly-ready teams would be rushing and maybe taking chances. So, hopefully, the new and final deadline will work to everyone's advantage.

Cheers,
Paul

Paul,

If we are being realistic, there are no teams that are "nearly-ready". Prometheus and WikiSat are the only two teams that are showing any progress. Prometheus still hasn't done their model rocket rockoon launch or even ground tested their model rocket, which they were supposed to have done three weeks ago. WikiSat has run a few good balloon launches, and have done some good work on testing rocket motors. Both teams have developed prototypes for their satellites with radio transmitters.

I think Rick is as far along as the leading N-Prize contenders -- and he hasn't even developed anything for the N-Prize. He has much more high-power rocket experience than the other teams.

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Re: >>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

Postby pauldear » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:43 pm

Yes, nobody is going to crack this in the next 24 hours, that's for sure. However, there are also a few teams who are making progress but keeping quiet (and of course many more teams who are not making progress, yet also keeping quiet!).
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Re: >>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

Postby DaveHein » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:00 pm

I can understand teams keeping quiet to protect their technology. However, I don't understand why a team that is making real progress wouldn't post some of their achievements. If one of the quiet teams is really close to winning the N-Prize they would have won the Carmack prize by now, and are probably ready to do a sub-orbital space shot. I think you can understand why I'm skeptical that there is a quiet team that is close to doing an orbital launch.
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Postby pauldear » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:30 pm

Well, you might be right - I guess we can only be sure of the teams that have reported progress. In any event, here's hoping that some of the teams will make good use of the extended deadline.

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Re: >>>CLOSING DATE EXTENSION<<<

Postby Xan » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:56 pm

Warning: Translated using Google-Translate, so it can turn out funny!

Something the activity of the participants (fifty teams!) decreased to almost zero.
Therefore, in order to bring revitalization, I present my project, which is located somewhere in the middle of the road.
And I won’t leave him!

=====

This is only about the mechanics of flight, not about construction, control, sensors, electronics.

From the very beginning, it was assumed that one should not try to use something exotic (nuclear energy, anti-gravity, telekinesis).
It must be:
Primitive multistage rocket.
Primitive solid fuel engines.
Primitive fuel.
This will not give a large ratio of the payload mass to the launch mass of the rocket, but it will free from the development of new technologies.

According to preliminary estimates, a rocket with a launch mass of about 10 kilograms was needed to put 100 grams into orbit.

For such a small rocket, compared with large rockets, atmospheric resistance is of great importance.
And there is an optimal speed at which fuel consumption will be minimal.
If we assume that the resistance is proportional to the square of the speed and Cd is constant, then the optimal speed it is when the weight of the rocket is equal to the force of air resistance:

m * g = Cd * rho * S * v^2 / 2

For a small rocket (m = 10 kilograms, diameter 80 mm - S = 0.005 m2, sea level - rho = 1.2, Cd = 0.4), the optimal speed is approximately this:

v = sqrt(10 * 9.81 * 2 / (0.4 * 1.2 * 0.005)) = 286 m/s

So the rocket must first quickly accelerate to the optimum speed;
then maintain optimal speed in accordance with the density of air and the current weight of the rocket;
while you still have to limit the speed (not higher than 800 m/s) so that the surface of the rocket does not overheat from friction;
and only when the atmosphere is over, only then can rocket accelerate to the speed necessary to reach the orbit.

Large rockets do not have this problem, since they have an optimal speed 4 ... 7 times greater than that of a small one, and they simply do not have time to accelerate to it, and the atmosphere is already ending.
And so their engine may always work with constant thrust.

A small rocket with solid propellant engines is unable to constantly maintain optimal speed.
1. The thrust of a solid fuel engine is difficult to regulate;
2. It is impossible to make a small efficient solid fuel engine that runs longer than a few seconds.

The solution is this: many small engines runs for a short time, but they turn on alternately with long pauses.
The speed of the rocket will then fluctuate around optimal.

It turns out something like this:
The first stage accelerates the rocket above the optimum speed (500 ... 700 m/s).
In the pause the speed of the rocket gradually decreases, the height increases, the density of air decreases.
The next stage is turned on, which again accelerates rocket above the optimum (800 ... 900 m/s).
...
The fourth stage at an altitude of about 40 km accelerates rocket to a speed of about 3 km/s, while air resistance drops rapidly and further the rocket flies along an inclined trajectory to an altitude of 110 km.
At this altitude, aerodynamic heating becomes negligible and the fairing is jettison.
The fifth stage is turned on, after that the rocket flies along the trajectory with a maximum height of 350 km.
At the upper point, the last step is turned on, and rocket accelerates to the orbit speed.

:)
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